Black Diamond Quadrant
Posted by Tobias c. van Veen - Notes from the Neve on 3/15/2011
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Discussing ski touring boots is a dirty addiction of mine, as I have
yet to find the holy grail of touring footwear: a progressively-flexed,
tight yet comfortable, light yet burly boot that, whether tongue or
overlap, delivers enough power to smear & slash DPS Lotus 138s,
stomp cornices, and pull off tight turns in adverse conditions
including windcrust and sastrugi. That said the boot must remain nimble
and precise when counting on it, with sticky rubber underfoot for
sketching across an exposed traverse or kick-stepping up some scary ice.
And of course, it must be comfortable in the uptrack, like an old house
slipper that delivers support and warmth without being intrusively
snug. To this end, and without really spending much time fitting them,
this year I picked up the Black Diamond Quadrant, which—I must say—has to be one of the better attempts to design a stiff and strong yet lightweight overlap touring boot.
The Black Diamond Quadrant in spanking green & yellow.
The Down. The Quadrant skis like no other touring boot I’ve had the pleasure of riding, and that includes the Garmont Radium and Scarpa Spirit series. Note I am not comparing it to the Dynafit Titan or the Factor, which weigh much, much more and are made with PU and not PeBax, nor to the Scarpa Maestrale,
which, although it marks a serious step forward in tongue-overlap
innovation, is nonetheless a significantly softer boot. That said, the
Quadrant feels about as stiff as both the heavier Factor and Titan,
while being a much lighter and more agile boot.
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Apostles in full glory. See the boots? Didn't think so. Skier: tobias c. van Veen. Photo: Matt Hallinan.
Flex. The Quadrant is stiff, and its 120 flex claim is not as exaggerated as other
manufacturers. It has a hard forward flex which, if anything, could be
more progressive (a few riders report shinbang, and the boot does
pressure across the top of the shin when aggressively pressuring
forward). But unlike many overlap touring boots, the Quadrant will hold
tight at speed; it has yet to collapse forward in unruly, bumpy terrain,
unlike a softer touring boot which will throw you over the handlebars
when challenging the tips of the skis in an aggressive stance. Lateral
flex is also impressively stiff, providing solid support edge-to-edge
and for holding down the carving aspects of the turn. Indeed, in many
respects lateral (as in torsional) stiffness is the more important
aspect of a boot’s flex as it determines how the boot flexes
three-dimensionally in the gut of the turn (the same goes for skis).
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That's some nifty forward flex in walk mode!
Walk mode. In walk mode, the boot hinges forward
impressively well, with a long forward motion for the uptrack. With the
top two buckles undone and the power strap released, there is little
resistance on the forward stride. The Quadrant’s sliding-hinge
innovation appears to do its job, allowing the cuff to move noticeably
forward. In this respect it has some of the best forward motion on
uptrack tours of any boot in its class (i.e. the Quadrant is not to be
compared to a Dynafit DyNA or TLT5—though
these models have upped the ante for what will be the future of touring
boots). Also worth noting is a fully field-replaceable walk mode lever.
Made out of metal, it’s not going to break easily.
Where the boot seems to have lost some movement is with the rearward hinge, which should
move much farther back than its tight cuff allows. Unfortunately the
boot has a tough time moving back past 80 degrees. Note you can mod
this. I removed the rear cuff and ground down (with a Dremel) the spines
below the walk mode lever on the rear of the boot and in the
corresponding notch in the cuff. This yielded a few more degrees of
easier rearward movement, but it is evident that the cuff has been
molded a tad too tight. Hopefully Black Diamond will correct its mold in
future versions, as the design of the boot should yield increased
rearward movement. While less noticeable on the uptrack, rearward stride
is a calf-saver on the flats, where efficiently-executed nordic skiing
technique can mean the difference between cuddling up in the fartbag
while watching the alpenglow… or sketching it out by headlamp through a
dark glacier of ugly slots.
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Not-so-nifty rear movement. Boo.
Materials. The workmanship of the boot is capable
and strong, with a decent lugged sole and burly Dynafit inserts that
show little sign of wear after a good number of days out scrambling. The
wire buckles have yet to show any disadvantages. The hooked buckle
clasps designed for locking-out the buckles in touring mode take some
getting used too—they can be very difficult to unhook—but work well
enough. Unfortunately the powerstrap is something of a let-down. A
larger, rubberized powerstrap would give the boot some progressive flex
when combined with a looser buckling system. The current powerstrap is
so measly that it can nearly be undone without any notice in the
performance of the down, which means it is nearly superfluous in the
design.
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Like Scarpa, Black Diamond has gone to some
detail to reduce weight, utilising ribs in the shell, as well as
displaying fine craftsmanship in recessing the rivets.
Shell Fit. This is where most of my concerns lay:
surely a decent boot should fit snug, thereby allowing the bootfitter to
press and punch where needed? This rule has yet to change in however
many eons of boot development: you can work with a tight-fitting boot.
You cannot, however, do much for a sloppy, loose-fitting boot.
So be forewarned: the Quadrant is a very roomy boot in length, width
and volume for its boot sole length (BSL). A size 27 is only 310BSL,
which is frustrating, as industry consensus usually is for a size 27 to
come in at around 315BSL. This means if you have a US men’s size 11
foot—by far the greatest demographic of men’s feet—you either have to
size down to a 310BSL and punch a good 5mm in the toes, or size up to a
28 and try and pad out the extra 5mm (one finger) of space. I went
larger—more on that below as I reconsider the decision.
As for width, a size 27 has a 103mm last. This is
quite large even for touring standards, and when combined with the large
volume of the forefoot, perhaps too large to achieve a performance fit
in a boot that will break in over time. What is especially frustrating,
however, is that the boot last changes proportionally to the size. Thus a
size 28 has a 105mm last—which is massive!—while a size 26 a 101mm
last. For the life of me I don’t understand the logic, as longer feet
are not necessarily wider feet (!). In short, if you have a long,
narrow, low-volume foot—and if you want this boot—you are going to
either have to go small and press & punch, or go big and fill out
the space with everything you can think of (and then some).
No bootfitter I have spoken to can figure out Black Diamond’s
thinking on this matter. Why not stick with a consistent last, thus
allowing bootfitters to only press where necessary? Certainly a 101mm
last would have been sufficient. One hopes Black Diamond rethinks the
overall shell sizing; I feel that we’re all still waiting for a 101mm
last, lower volume boot for those seeking a performance fit that will
last much longer than the kind of fit a large, and ultimately sloppy
boot will deliver. In short the shell has been sized for the
recreational backcountry skier: it feels good to begin with, when
really, it shouldn’t.
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The tech fitting is well positioned and works well with Dynafit.
Toe buckle. One other common remark concerning shell design is the toe buckle. Why it exists is perhaps a good question given that the Prime
eschews it. Moreover the positioning of the buckle on top of the boot
serves little purpose save to pressure the overlap hinge directly on top
of the toes. Doing up this buckle so that it actually tightens the
shell only indents the overlap, which is painful for most rider’s feet. I
only moderately do up the buckle, which again makes me wonder if it is
even necessary. I have since skied with the buckle completely loose and
noticed little difference in performance. Raising the toe with a bondex
board produces a better toebox fit than tightening the buckle. For those
with a decent toebox fit, removing the buckle entirely might be a
useful mod to reduce weight and resolve toebox fitting issues.
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Stock liner vs. Intuition Pro Tour
Stock liner. While the stock liner is thermomoldable, it feels quite soft and mushy once molded. Users also report
that the liner is too small for the shell, which has also led to
incorrect bootfitting (always size the shell, not the liner!). My own
liners slipped inside the boot shell; they had shrunk in relation to the
shell (again this seems to signal that the shell is too voluminous). It
would appear that instead of using foam that expands to fill space in
the shell (a la Intuitions), Black Diamond used foam that shrinks around the foot. Having one’s liner slip inside the shell is unacceptable.
I have since tried Intuition Pro Tour liners.
While providing a much warmer and closer fit than the BD liners—as well
as not slipping inside the shell!—there is still too much overall
volume, and I am experimenting with Intuition Luxuries,
footbeds, bondex boards and good ol’ 3M sticky foam to try and achieve a
tighter, more precise fit. In short I am going down that ugly road of
filling-in-space which is the stuff of bad dreams for bootfitters. So
let’s get right down to it—
Fitting narrow feet. For those of us who ski
comfortably in 98mm last boots at 315BSL the Quadrant is a difficult
fit. A size 28 at 320BSL isn’t impossibly long for feet that usually fit
315mm BSL—my Radiums, for other reasons of poor design (a death-tight toebox)
were 325mm—but with a 105mm last there is enough play in the boot for
the foot to shift off axis and torque inside the shell. In powder this
is less noticeable, but as soon as conditions demand precise control
and/or the big planks come out, the fit is too weak to deliver high-end
performance.
Obviously this is particular to one’s foot, but Black Diamond’s
proportional last sizing is something of a gamble, in assuming that a
longer foot is also a wider foot. Overall, there is too much forefoot
volume in the boot, and increasing buckle pressure only cramps the
overlap, having little effect on volume while guaranteeing cold feet and
tingly toes, as the overlap cuts off circulation.
Overall, I wouldn’t hesitate to ride this boot,
especially for those with big, wide feet. But even the monstrous need a
boot that can be fitted to the foot, rather than a boot that allows the
foot to fit it. Does this make sense? Boots should be made to
fit; if a shell fits because it’s so large it will fit anything, then
the boot will display signs of ill-fitting down the road as the liner
blows out and the shell develops its flex pattern in relation to use.
I’m not saying this will be everyone’s experience, but I am surprised
that BD has gone with such a proportionately large shell when designing
what is otherwise the lightest and stiffest touring boot to yet hit the
market. But I digress; for the performance of the boot alone it is worth
figuring out a way to make the shell work if you have narrow-to-average
sized feet. The Quadrant is definitively the best overlap design to hit
the market at this weight.